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Looking for a ‘church?’ Trying to figure out what your own ‘church’ preaches and teaches?
Here we examine both the historical church and what it means to be called a “Christian,” as well as some virtual misleading by some who claim to be christian and call their building or following ‘church.’

  • Everythingology for an all-inclusive church

    Everythingology for an all-inclusive church

    When did astrology become astronomy and science become ‘everythingology?’

    Each time adam sought to explain life separate of the glory of God and science dismissed the study of God.

    Roger@TalkofJESUS.com

    Let’s study it:

    The SCIENCE of false premise

    Last time I asked you, (my fellow ‘Christian’ with little interest in ‘theology‘):

    Did God really say, Church?
    Does the person asking you about “Church“ really want to know what God said?

    AND

    I warned that not only is it unlikely any man or woman will ask you about your church, but that their least likely question to you will be about THE LORD GOD.

    IF & WHEN, however, you happen to identify someone telling you about their science and religion of atheism

    AND they want to prove to you WHY GOD is not,

    Recognize that the enemy of Truth cannot prove anything from every false premise.

    Take any observation of mankind:

    Scientific discoveries and claims as everythingology {explored and defined)

    James Webb Space Telescope Science
    The James Webb Space Telescope will be a giant leap forward in our quest to understand the Universe and our origins. JWST will examine every phase of cosmic history: from the first luminous glows after the Big Bang to the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets to the evolution of our own solar system. The science goals for the Webb can be grouped into four themes:

    The End of the Dark Ages: First Light and Reionization – JWST will be a powerful time machine with infrared vision that will peer back over 13.5 billion years to see the first stars and galaxies forming out of the darkness of the early universe.

    Even the atheist must confess that they do not have the answer to WHY?

    i.e. WHY the Big Bang?

    (It is a theory with speculative premise, right?)

    (explain please in your COMMENT to this post about ‘everythingology‘)

    SO WHY does the ATHEIST persist in asking the CHRISTIAN, “Why?”

    THEY would bring believers down to the despair of THEIR own depths.

    Like sheep they are appointed for Sheol;
death shall be their shepherd,
and the upright shall rule over them in the morning.
Their form shall be consumed in Sheol, with no place to dwell.

But God will ransom my soul from the power of Sheol,
for he will receive me. Selah

Psalm 49:14-15 ESV

    Science-onomy & Science-ology

    At best, it’s speculative entertainment of an evolved brain of an ape, calculating how train B left the primordial station at the beginning of the line without a builder of its hypersonic engine, to arrive at their earth just in time for them to teach it as ‘proven science.’

    WHY so much ‘SCIENCE’ built on FALSE PREMISE?

    • Is their premise a veiled dismissal of God
      • (Most likely.)
    • and does their ‘SCIENCE‘ disprove God’s Word?
      • (The goal of their questions)

    Certainly NOT!

    There is NO CONCLUSION for the a-theist,

    because they understand that their END will be ashes and dust..

    But then, the JUDGEMENT!

    And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

    Psalm 9:8 [Lexicon :: Strong’s H1777 – dîn – to judge, contend, plead]
    1. Because the A-theist stands against the Lord God, THEY must continually QUESTION GOD: i.e. “Did God really say..?”
    2. THEN (like Satan) an A-theist must reconstruct TRUTH
    3. into a PROOF of Another-truth, built on a FALSE PREMISE.
      1. Some claim their Alternative-truth as proven ‘science.’
      2. Others claim their Alternative-truth as speculative ‘history.’
      3. Still others claim their Alternative-truths as SCIENCE-ONOMY (with any number of familiar names).

    What can we know with certainty?

    WHEN SCIENCE side-steps LOGIC by tiptoeing around TRUTH, it becomes religion – the A-theist’s doctrine of the distrust of Almighty God, built on inconclusive false premises leading to NO conclusion.

    Roger@TalkofJESUS.COM
    • What can we know about sociology or psychology with absolute certainty?
    • What can we know about ecology or cosmology with absolute certainty?
      • Was a scientist nearby to record the age of the universe?
        • Could our mathematical (algebraical) calculations of the numerous variable unknowns of scientific presuppositions of geology and archeology be wrong (inconclusive)?
    • How did the archeologist measure rock formed before carbon?
    • Did some astronomer set out his telescope and tape to measure the light of Creation?
      • Were ‘light-years’ recorded with white light, curved light, ultraviolet light, x-ray, blacklight or with a nuclear flash?
      • Could Almighty God cause light to travel a varying speeds through some parts of space?

    Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:

    “Who is this who darkens the divine plan

    By words without knowledge?

    “Now tighten the belt on your waist like a man [for battle],
    And I shall ask you, and you inform Me!

    “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding,

    “Who set its measurements? Since you know.
    Or who stretched the measuring line over it?

    Job 38:1-5 NASB20

    Science-onomy

    Origin & history
    From Ancient Greek νόμος (“law, custom”).
    Suffix
    -nomy
    a system of rules, laws, or knowledge about a body of a particular field; distribution, arrangement, management
    Derived words & phrases
    astronomy
    Deuteronomy

    “-onomy” – WordSense Online Dictionary (15th July, 2022) URL: https://www.wordsense.eu/-onomy/

    Is ALL Law perfect? & do ALL Customs establish FACT?

    Science-ology

    ology (English)

    Origin & history
    From the suffix -ology in the names of many sciences

    Suffix
    -ology
    1. Alternative form of –logy, used for phonological reasons when the preceding morpheme ends in certain consonant sounds.

    2. (often, humorous) added to an ordinary English word to create a name for a (possibly non-existent) field of study.

    -ology – branch of learning

    “definition 2 of -ology best describes “everythingology“

    Everythingology –

    Everythingology – definition:

    1. Endless study of everything;

    2. Theoretical theology of humanity as god.

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    History & Evolution of the SCIENCE of Everythingology

    Compare to: Ancient Aliens (source: History Channel)

    Proponents of hell’s Devils [PhD’s] esteemed by the Universities of Everythinology preach from their pulpits of MULTIPLE TRUTHS with theoretical atheistic clubs of pointed QUESTIONS seeking to validate their rejection of God. These Doctors of Blurred Science matriculated through curricular gauntlets of eminent scholars of philosophy, who grade ALL their best teaching assistants on the curve and fail any logical conspiracy purists who support a single Truth.

    The indisputable EDUCATION of this great Blurred Science continues to evolve toward the perfection of self B.S. demands for our future generations. For example: the evolution of astrology evolves into astronomy — which in turn seeks to gain credibility under the cloak of astrophysics. ALL Science offers numerous examples of this progress away the ignorance of our primordial forebears who fought sabre-tooth and nail for our freedoms and survival.

    ALL PhD’s of U of E speculate WHY by teaching darwinology, as professor progeny of history’s fittest primates, hoping by their unspoken premise to strike a mortal blow to the head of logical truth. Their multiple truths must include EVERY human of any theoretical variant — inclusive of all, that is, EXCEPT a man or a woman insistent on One Way, one Truth and One eternal life lived for One God.

    Everything-ologists are Religious HUMANS

    You will learn SCIENTIFIC teaching [in-doctrine-ation] by HUMANS, cloaked in coats of many truths taught from every scientific discipline; in order that you may apply their theories to humankind, mother earth’s environment and the cosmos for your inner-evolvement of self and the future evolution of SCIENCE into the oneness of HUMANITY.

    Student Manual – Universities of Everythinology

    These humans hold high reverence for philosophy, rather than tolerate a philosophical reverence of Truth.

    By now, you no doubt see through the academic robes of these Everythingologists exposing their humorous backsides by so many QUESTIONS asking WHY about GOD and Christ's Church. Perhaps if they had studied Orwellian theory [i.e. Animal Farm, 1984], they would name their church: "MINISTRY OF TRUTH." 

Perhaps in a not-so-humorous world of 2022 of 'the common era,' we have evolved into U.N. agencies of Everything-isms determined to bring the Church to Megiddo in a battle for Truth.

    REMEMBER: WHO IS ASKING?

    (And WHAT are they subtly teaching?)

    One ‘ology’ always absent in false teaching is “Christology,” the developed doctrine of Christ.

    Christology

    But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

    Letter of Paul to the Romans 5:8 NASB

    Already by the middle of the first century, the deity of Jesus was part of the faith of the universal church. It cannot and must not be compromised today.

    John Stott – CHRIST the Cornerstone, p.304
    We will hear much more uncompromised Truth from John Stott, Boothe, Murray, Carson, Lloyd-Jones, Bunyan and other Christian theologians as we continue this SERIES addressing the issues of a 21st Century RECALL of the CHURCH.

Grace and peace, in our Lord Christ Jesus.
RH
  • Did God really say, Church?

    Did God really say, Church?

    Yes! God said, “CHURCH.”

    Let’s be clear up front. I can assure you through Scripture (the written word of God we call THE BIBLE) that our Creator said, “Church.”

    So that we are on the same page (so to speak) I will get to a written definition of Church shortly. But first — and perhaps more importantly — I have a question to ask YOU.

    WHO is Asking?

    • Why is THIS important?

    • Does the person asking you about “Church“ really want to know what God said?

    • OR

    • Is this question of theirs a veiled dismissal of God
      • AND built on a premise opposed to the Authority of God’s Word?

    Who believes that God created the CHURCH?

    FIRST: Most likely NO ONE has asked you about your “church.”

    If you made a list including one hundred [100] from your neighborhood, work and extended family,

    • HOW MANY would even ASK YOU ANYTHING about CHURCH or GOD or Jesus Christ?

    Perhaps, one? 

    (Not even Christians of our church typically engage each other in conversation about 'church'  beyond the walls of the church building or in our mortal time beyond a single worship service duplicated twice on Sunday.)

    SECONDLY: IF you ever hear a person ask you about your ‘church‘ and Scripture ,

    ASK YOURSELF, “WHO IS ASKING?”

    You probably know several variations of the original QUESTION directly from your Bible.

    וְהַנָּחָשׁ הָיָה עָרוּם מִכֹּל חַיַּת הַשָּׂדֶה אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים וַיֹּאמֶר אֶל־הָאִשָּׁה אַף כִּֽי־אָמַר אֱלֹהִים לֹא תֹֽאכְלוּ מִכֹּל עֵץ הַגָּֽן׃

    Bereishit (Genesis) 3:1 :: Westminster Leningrad Codex (WLC)
    Of course most of us cannot read the original so we must rely on a translation of Scripture (me included)-- but (keep in mind) -- 

NO man or woman can claim truth while they reconstruct Scripture into words they want the Bible to say. 

WORDS have both meaning and intent. Therefore a preacher or teacher of the BIBLE MUST stick to preaching or teaching from a reliable English translation AND NOT SUBSTITUTE your own 'better,' less-offensive words.

The BIG QUESTION of THE DECEIVER goes something like the reconstruction by Satan sketched out (and linked) below.

    Does the preacher of the Word who shepherds your church have the integrity to ALWAYS use the written word of God from the Bible as written?

    Roger@TalkofJESUS.com [Your response or question by email is welcome.]

    Questioning and Reconstructing God’s Word

    An example from Genesis 3:

    Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

    And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said,

    Genesis 3:1b NASB95

    ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

    Again, WATCH OUT! Whenever you hear anyone ask, 'has God said...'

    “Church“

    Call it what you like, but different people mean different things when they say, ‘church.’

    This is so even for members or attenders of the very same church. So let’s settle on some standard definitions of our references to ‘the church.’

    ἐκκλησία – ek-klay-see’-ah [feminine noun]

    Strong’s G1577 – ekklēsia [click for complete definition of ‘church’]

    • a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place

    No mention of the ‘church building’ here, although this ‘public place’ could be a building, tent, other home or anywhere two or three ‘citizens’ are gathered together.

    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; G1577 and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Gospel of Matthew 16:18 KJV – first use of the word ‘church‘ G1537 ekklēsia in the New Testament

    Christians and unbelievers alike think of CHURCH as an exclusive reference to a building or place where JESUS worshipers gather together as a ‘religious’ routine typically on Sunday only.

    However, a deeper look into how ‘church’ is used in the Bible — Old Testament AND New — will reveal a more significant connection of this ‘gathering of citizens’ to the LORD God.

    Gather me the people together – קָהַל

    The summons or call to worship is from the LORD Himself!

    The first reference to the ‘church’ or gathering in the Greek Septuagint comes from the LORD through Moses. Each assembly of the hebrew people, the citizens called out of Egypt and frequently out of their tents in the wilderness, was called by the LORD GOD.

    The LORD calls out the CHURCH, a chosen company of worshipers of the LORD our God. 

    View a link to these references from the Septuagint in the common Greek of the first century Roman Empire when Israel no longer existed and JESUS taught in Galilee, Samaria and Judea.

    “Remember the day you stood before the LORD your God at Horeb, when the LORD said to me, ‘Assemble the people to Me, that I may have them hear My words so that they may learn to fear Me all the days that they live on the earth, and that they may teach their children.’

    Deuteronomy 4:10

    “The LORD gave me the two tablets of stone written by the finger of God; and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken with you at the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly..

    “This is in accordance with everything that you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Do not let me hear the voice of the LORD my God again, and do not let me see this great fire anymore, or I will die!’

    Deuteronomy 9:10; 18:16

    It’s pretty serious business:

    However, the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will wipe him out of My book. But go now, lead the people where I told you. Behold, My angel shall go before you; nevertheless on the day when I punish, I will punish them for their sin.”

    Exodus 32:33-34 NASB20

    — a chosen citizenry created in the image of the LORD against whom they turn (again and again)

    שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד׃

    “And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

    Devarim (Deuteronomy) 6:4 :: WLC; 6:5 NASB20

    Then God said, “Behold, I am going to make a covenant. Before all your people I will perform miracles which have not been produced in all the earth nor among any of the nations; and all the people among whom you live will see the working of the LORD, for it is a fearful thing that I am going to perform with you.

    Exodus 34:10 NASB20

    — the LAW of the LORD our God (broken again and again)

    “Be careful that you do not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, or it will become a snare in your midst.

    Exodus 34:12 NASB20

    — covenant, solemn promise after solemn promise (broken again and again)

    “For when I bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to their fathers, and they eat and are satisfied and become prosperous, then they will turn to other gods and serve them, and spurn Me and break My covenant.

    Deuteronomy 31:20 NASB20

    AND even in the New Testament

    — an often apostate church continually asking, “DID GOD REALLY SAY?“

    I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

    Paul’s letter to the Church at Galatia 1:6-7 NASB20

    Did Scripture really say..?

    Second Letter of Paul to Timothy

    3:12 Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

    YES, God — JESUS — really did say, CHURCH.

    Scripture — spoken by the LORD, written in the Law and the Prophets, preached by the Lord Jesus Christ, taught by the Apostles — Scripture affirms Christ’s Church already built by HIM and in no need of tearing down out of a lack of faith.

    All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man [messenger] of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV

    Why do you ask?

    "Did God really say, Church?" is our first post for a NEW TalkofJESUS.com SERIES, addressing philosophies and questions underlying intentional deconstruction of the 21st Century Church.

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