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  • Your Communions in Church and in Christ

    Your Communions in Church and in Christ

    Communions, gatherings, worship services, church services — call them whatever you like. But the Apostle Paul provides some pointed correction for the church as we continue in 1 Corinthians 11.

    Communion – Sharing in the Lord’s Supper

    What’s the Apostle Paul saying to the Church?

    It’s an Exhortation

    Pretty strait-forward

    Paul addresses these communions (as the idolatrous feasts of Corinth he has already addressed) presenting a clear choice for godly saints of the Church at Corinth.

    v.17 In the following instructions I have no praise to offer, because your gatherings do more harm than good. – BSB


    for the Church

    Would you like to hear Paul's introduction in another way? 

    1 Corinthians 11:18

    • For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. – NKJV
    • In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. – NIV
    • For first of all, when you come together in the assembly, I hear that divisions exist among you, and I partly believe it. – HNV

    This is simply Paul’s FIRST POINT following the Apostle’s exhortation about sanctified living AND following his FIRST POINT about ROLES in Christian Worship within this section of his Epistle ordering Christ’s instructions for worship.

    The Apostle Paul specifically points to times when we assemble [or come together] συνέρχομαι – synerchomai as a CHURCH ἐκκλησίᾳ – ekklēsia.

    Many of you know this Greek word for church. 

    LOOK at its definition
    (nothing specifically yet about communion here. But read on.)

    The Apostle then continues in his outline for Christian gatherings.

    Sharing in the Lord’s Supper ( 11:17⁠–⁠34 )

    church supper

    An exhortation for social and festive meals in the church community

    Now then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat.

    21 For as you eat, each of you goes ahead without sharing his meal. While one remains hungry, another gets drunk.

    22 Don’t you have your own homes in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing?

    What can I say to you? Shall I praise you for this?

    No, I will not!


    The Apostle’s transition into this section had been:

    Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.1 Cor 11:1 KJV


    Paul's focus:

    Our communions other than Holy Communion

    For there must be also heresies among you,

    that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

    1 Corinthians 11:19 KJV

    * In the first major schism of the Church in the A.D. 11th century the Roman Church divided from the Orthodox Church. See the Timeline in the link above.

    Common Era christians dare not mention such things as HERESY, lest we offend some unbeliever in our gathering or sharing in breaking bread with us at an occasional community evangelism feast. 

    We prefer a gentler approach of translations of αἵρεσις - hairesis like: factions or divisions or differences.

    11:20 συνερχομένων οὖν ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τὸ αὐτὸ οὐκ ἔστιν κυριακὸν δεῖπνον φαγεῖν

    When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.

    First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians 11:20 KJV

    Does the Apostle then instruct the Church NOT to share in Holy Communion?

    NO, certainly not.

    Only not to participate in such a community meal alongside unbelievers (EVEN ‘at church’ ), including those who are not in Christ in this Holy Sacrifice of Communion as worship.


    The Lord’s Supper

    You may want to READ some of the Gospel including these Holy Scriptures, but I urge you for now to remain focused on the Apostle’s INSTRUCTION specifically to saints of the Church at Corinth (in ~ A.D. 55).

    Gospel cross-references to the Lord’s Supper

    King James Version


    a HOLY Communion in Christ celebrated by the Body of Christ

    Holy Communion the Bread and Cup of salvation in Christ  for the body of Christ the Church

    For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you..

    1 Corinthians 11:23a KJV

    Paul here reiterates from the Gospel accounts that which the Apostle had already instructed in person.


    .. That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

    And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:

    this is my body, which is broken for you:

    this do in remembrance of me.

    After the same manner also he took the cup,

    when he had supped, saying,

    This cup is the new testament in my blood:

    this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,

    in remembrance of me.

    First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians 11:23-25 King James Version

    An Apostolic Application

    Once again, Paul has already WRITTEN:

    • NOT to eat Food Sacrificed to Idols AND taught lessons of the Jews’ exodus from Egypt concerning their idolatry.

    For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

    1 Corinthians 11:26 ESV

    The Apostle had reminded the saints of Corinth earlier in his letter of both his authority and humility in Christ confirming:

    • I have applied these things to myself [THEREFORE] learn from us not to go beyond what is written.
    • Paul’s instruction consequently will require the saints of Corinth:

    Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

    1 Corinthians 11:28 ESV


    27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. – BSB

    Commentary – Study Bible [below]

    • The term “unworthy manner” suggests a lack of reverence or self-examination
    • The “bread” and “cup” symbolize the body and blood of Christ, and partaking in them requires a heart of humility and repentance.
    • To be “guilty of sinning” implies a serious offense, akin to profaning something holy.

    For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

    First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians 11:29 King James Version

    If we would judge ourselves
    The Apostle offers a few additional reasons to examine ourselves before these communions with the world and the Holy Communion of the saints of our local church. 
    • That is why many among you are weak and sick,
    • and a number of you have fallen asleep.
    • Now if we judged ourselves properly, we would not come under judgment.
    • But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.

    In conclusion, Paul reiterates about their divisions over their communions.

    ἐκδέχομαι – ekdechomai 

    33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat,

    tarry one for another.

    translates the King James

    1. to receive, accept
    2. to look for, expect, wait for, await: ἀλλήλους ἐκδέχεσθε wait for one another, namely, until each shall have received his food, 1 Corinthians 11:33, cf.

    PAUL closes this section of his letter about divisions stating that he has more to say about other issues later in person.

    “.. And when I come, I will give instructions about the remaining matters.


    Judge for yourself

    English translation: pictures Table Man Wine Mug Food Food Religion Text added to photo What's wrong with you Communions?

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  • TRUE or FALSE? Teachers, Preachers, Doctrine, Scripture.. God?

    TRUE or FALSE? Teachers, Preachers, Doctrine, Scripture.. God?

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    Truth or Consequences of Heresy?

    What do Christians do when we don’t have the answers?

    • In fact, what will the world teach you when no one can discern truth?
    • How will YOU answer important questions of teaching from the Bible?

    “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there…

    from John 18:36a in previous series – What is Truth?

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    What is Truth?
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    The questions are seasonal reruns played from broken promises of the past — whether from October A.D. 2020 or during the first century trial of Jesus Christ.

    We learned that doctrine can be religious or political. Recently many ‘christians’ have confused these.

    FALSE politics is treason, but FALSE religion is heresy.

    What is true of false political promises is also true of false teaching about God and Jesus Christ. The Apostle Peter and others sound the trumpet of warning against false teaching and heresy.

    Scripture:

    2 Peter 2:1

    from August 13, 2013 – Topic: Heresy
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  • Philosophy – A horse is a horse, of course of course

    Philosophy – A horse is a horse, of course of course

    Or (logically speaking), is it?

    I preface our upcoming Christian conversation about doctrine with a caveat caution about philosophy and its pitfalls to our denominations of belief. If we are to stand near to the Lord God, man must choose in this mortal life between fruit from various trees of doctrine.

    Mr. Ed & Balaam’s Ass

    But philosophers question if its a horse, of course..

    My opening reference of course places our thoughts in the realm of fiction. Allow me to mention that a good philosopher opposed to God will quickly offer you the fruit of fiction as explanation for various Biblical phenomena. Their underlying philosophies have been reruns for centuries.

    And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam’s anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. – Numbers 22:27

    My microchip of a philosopher’s mind is hardly sufficient to expound doctrine in depth, therefore I will defer to other more-learned men.

    Philosophers must argue an issue into a mire behind the horse, a place into which I dare not lead any seeking a path back to eternal life. I’ll leave you to your own conclusions about the Scripture of Numbers 22; though philosophers may debate whether Balaam’s creature is a donkey, a horse, an ass, a mule or a burro.

    (You may not want to compare creatures and contrast the jackass to the philosopher or compare an amoeba with mankind.) :)

    Philosophy – the term defined

    As with DOCTRINE, if we are to agree on anything let’s at least begin with a definition of Philosophy.source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    1. all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts..
    2. pursuit of wisdom..
    3. a system of philosophical concepts, : a theory underlying or regarding a sphere of activity or thought..
    4. the most basic beliefs, concepts, and attitudes of an individual or group..

    Synonyms for philosophy

    credo, creed, doctrine, dogma, gospel, ideology (also idealogy), testament

    As I indicated, an inviting quagmire into which we dare not dwell too long.

    Why today?

    As timely as this fits into our new series on doctrine, I chose today due to a date of one philosopher from which we will study next.

    In this 21st century after Jesus Christ we must not lose the overall witness of twenty-one centuries of the church in times of various challenges to the Truth of Christ Jesus.

    In the year of our Lord Anno Domini A.D. 2021

    June 3 – Today in History

    Historical Events in A.D. 1140

    • Jun 3 French scholar Peter Abelard is found guilty of heresy.
    Heresy an ancient concept discounted today

    To read the fascinating background of the twelfth century philosopher Peter Abelard whose writings we will study next, click here.

    Back to arguing with Balaam

    And the ass said unto Balaam,

    Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee?

    And he said, Nay.

    Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

    Numbers 22:31 KJV
    Do you really believe that? doctrine - a line in the sand [picture of Jesus kneeling down to draw a line with his finger

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