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  • Distinction between the Kingdom and the Church of Christ

    Distinction between the Kingdom and the Church of Christ

    Kingdom OR Church?

    Is distinction lacking in the Gospel of YOUR Church?

    WE like to think that OUR Church has a great vision of Gospel grace, but do we PREACH any distinction between DOCTRINES and the WORK of evangelical ‘christians’ from OUR stages of worship?

    For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him for “WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”

    Romans 10:12-13 LSB
    That's very nice - a good glance at WHO could be part of the church. 
    BUT the Bible bids us to make some distinctions.

    So you will return and see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.

    For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every worker of wickedness will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them aflame,” says Yahweh of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.”

    Malachi 3:18-19 [4:1]

    What are the distinctions of Denominations?

    • ARE SOME christian‘ churches the chaff of wicked false teaching?
    • Is the gospel of YOUR church drawing in sinners while making no distinction of sin?
    • SHOULD some DENOMINATIONS be sifted as anathema to Christ’s Church?
      • (So they want to leave PROCLAIMING their SIN proudly?
      • Let them go!)

    WICKEDNESS is nothing NEW in any 21st century church OR limited to the Old Testament.

    • Do SOME lead worship or TEACH a class you attend NEVER ASKING:
      • Do YOU make any distinction?
      • between
        • the damned of the world
        • and the repentant sinner SAVED by CHRIST JESUS?

    Listen to Paul’s approach to making distinction between gifts and their usefulness to believers of the church:

    .. what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching? Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp?

    For if the trumpet produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?

    The Apostle Paul’s first letter to the Church at Corinth 6b-8

    Listen to the trumpet! SOME in the church are chaff!


    FOUR Distinctions of Church Doctrine

    As we continue discussion from our last Saturday Post just a reminder here that teaching is doctrine. (And so is preaching doctrine, as well as what doctrines which we neglect to preach. – RH)

    LLOYD-JONES book makes distinctions that the church is an expression of the kingdom of God but  cannot be equated with it.

    The theologian Lloyd-Jones outlines

    What are the distinctions of Denominations?

    The First Distinction

    The essential difference between the church and the kingdom of God is that the church is an “expression” of the kingdom, but cannot be “equated” with it.

    The church is an expression of the kingdom “wherever the Lord Jesus Christ is acknowledged as Lord.”

    D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones – source

    The Second Distinction

    The Distinction between the Spiritual, Invisible Church

    AND

    the Local, Visible Church


    FROM Paul and all the brothers who are with me,

    To the churches of Galatia: – Galatians 1:2

    ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις ho ekklēsiaTO: The Churches

    Paul and his Christian brothers write to the churches. They are not claiming to write to everyone in Galatia or Corinth or EVERYONE anywhere else in the idol-worshiping gentile world.

    Is that OUR approach?

    • Isn’t it nice to watch some preacher online (or on T.V.) and conveniently claim to the culture that you are ‘a christian?”
      • ARE YOU?
        • Simply because YOU watched some christian preacher saying graceful things?

    Lloyd-Jones declares that Paul speaks not of “one unit divided into local branches” but of individual churches or a plurality of units in Galatia.

    Of course we’re talking about the SPIRITUAL INVISIBLE CHURCH here.

    Which ‘christian’ are YOU?

    • Spiritual Christian of the Invisible Church PLUS a Local MEMBER of a Visible Church
    • NOT a member of Christ’s Invisible Church, BUT a visible MEMBER of YOUR LOCAL church
    • NOT a Spiritual Christian OR a MEMBER of any visible Local Church
      • (YOU just ‘go to church’ occasionally.)
    • Spiritual Christian of the Invisible Church, BUT invisible worshiper NOT a MEMBER of ANY LOCAL CHURCH.

    The Third Distinction

    Biblical Unity or Ecumenical Unity?

    ‘The ecumenical movement has tended to minimize doctrinal definitions of what makes someone a Christian.. ecumenical unity is a far cry from Biblical unity.’

    “..believers cannot have church unity without unity around the apostle’s teaching..

    Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

    If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. 2 John 1:9-11 ESV

    “..the Doctor explains:

    The significance he [John the Elder] attaches to doctrine and to truth is so great that he says, in effect, ‘You mustn’t receive the man into your house because if you do you’re encouraging him. If you give him a meal and send him on his journey you are encouraging his false doctrine. Don’t do it.’”

    Lloyd-Jones, The Church and the Last Things

    If there are spiritual and doctrinal marks that make one church true and another church false, then those marks must be clearly stated and explained.

    The Doctor’s Doctrine, p. 106

    The Fourth Distinction

    As if dealing with the previous three distinctions was not already enough to consider, Lloyd-Jones now adds an even more challenging look at THREE marks of a TRUE CHURCH.

    The Distinction between Right and Wrong

    Of course by now we must NOT be asking once more, 'What is truth?' as if truth or 'right and wrong' are a matter of subjective personal opinion rather than an objective Biblical standard by which Christians may claim God's Word as Good News to those who will believe.
    1. the Word is truly preached
    2. the sacraments are truly administered, AND (look out, here..)
    3. discipline is truly exercised

    Right Preaching and Wrong Preaching

    The church is “essential to believers,” because conversion means they are “born as babes in Christ” and desperately need to be “instructed” and “warned against error and safeguarded against heresy.”

    Lloyd-Jones, The Church and the Last Things
    Do you really believe that? doctrine - a line in the sand [picture of Jesus kneeling down to draw a line with his finger
    Of course since I am NOT a preacher, 
    I could say anything I want IF subjective truth 
    rather than Biblical truth was our standard of 
    right and wrong.

    But by the standard of doctrine rooted in Biblical truth NO theologian (even Lloyd-Jones or your preacher) should take subjective liberties in preaching the Gospel.

    2 Timothy 4:

    I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:

    • preach the word;
    • be ready in season and out of season;
    • reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and teaching.

    And what does the Apostle Paul prophesy to his disciple of the way, the truth and the life as REASON ENOUGH to remain faithful to Scripture?

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

    Second Letter of the Apostle Paul to Timothy 4:3-4 LSB

    ARE WE THERE YET?

    Preaching in the last days

    Again, the standard isn't mine (IF you accept the Doctrinal line in the sand of Scripture.

    .. in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts..

    The Apostle Peter reminds the church in is final letter, The Day of the Lord Will Come:

    The Lord .. is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up].

    Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way,

    what sort of people ought you to be…

    What sort of men and women proclaiming Christ Jesus OUGHT WE to be?

    READ more from 2 Peter 3:11-


  • Church: Religion? Philosophic Discourse? or Cultural Calling?

    Church: Religion? Philosophic Discourse? or Cultural Calling?

    The instant you say, ‘church,’ you dip your toe into waters of reactions which you know not how hot or cold, how shallow or deep, how stagnant or storm-tossed the hearer of your faith.

    Do you dare even ask?

    • Are YOU a CHRISTIAN?
    • Where did you worship last Sunday?
    • Do you belong to OUR church?
    • What are you currently studying from the Bible?
    • Would you talk of JESUS with me?
    • May I SHARE the Good News of my Biblical Christian faith?

    Just imagine the wide range of reactions of any other soul to ANY of these questions of the faithful evangelical Christian daring to share the Gospel of their Biblical Christian church.

    An even more troubling question:

    Does a Christian dare engage OTHER ‘christians‘ in a conversation about Christ (the Namesake of our Christian faith) addressing ALL of these questions and more about our Biblical Christian faith?

    Have YOU, in fact, tested these troublesome waters?

    IF SO, perhaps you too have received a baptism of hot opposition or a cold withdrawal of the flesh from the waters of faith.

    That would be evangelism = a RED FLAG of RELIGION to which a world (inclusively with some calling themselves a ‘church,’) will often react with ears that do not hear, as well as the rhetoric of rebellion against the Lord God and anarchy against salvation of the sinful soul.


    • Perhaps evangelism nets too few caught in the rising waters of a cultural flood of this world reacting to the ‘church,’ by denying Christ Jesus.
    • Maybe a pure Biblical Christian faith offends some tiptoeing into the mire of murky waters of philosophic denial.

    The [*] wicked fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

    They act corruptly, they commit abominable deeds;

    There is no one who does good.

    Psalm 14 :: Legacy Standard Bible (LSB) * wicked – one who rejects wisdom in rebellion against God
    (Although some these wicked fools have crept into pulpits of places which call themselves, 'church.')

    ANY constant questioning of authoritative adherence to the Word of God, the Holy Bible of our Christian faith, should sound an alarm to the faithful:

    Beware of the tempter in sheep’s clothing.

    Who else would deconstruct the Biblical Christian foundation of the Church, only to reconstruct our faith by compromises of the only Truth, replacing authoritative Scripture with several shifting pebbles of heretical half-truths ‘reasoned’ by the wicked at war with Christ?

    So I ask you .. I ask us:

    Who are these 21st century Christians?

    What are YOUR answers to my earlier questions I dare to ask my fellow evangelical Christian believers and worshipers of Jesus Christ? (ADD your Comment on Scripture to this Saturday Post of TalkofJESUS.com) 
    Our church in Christ Jesus has no place for the unrepentant wicked fool; for our Gospel is for those who believe.
    

    I began this Saturday Post series as a deeper discussion of DOCTRINE (or teaching) of the Church. The alarm of the watchman on the wall rang in my ears while hearing about a subtle teaching, an undercurrent of doctrine seeping into the evangelical christian church.

    Evangelical RECONSTRUCTION was something I naively had never heard of; YET now I will raise the trumpet of warning to sound the alarm:

    Medieval church bell tower during sundown in valley

    Something’s wrong with our church!

    (Who wouldn't agree?)
     YES it is.

    So why not RECALL it?

    (Send it ‘back to the manufacturer? Can’t do that. So how can WE evolve the church into a 21st c. style faith?)

    Tear it down to the ground demolishing doctrine by doctrine.

    Then WE can RECONSTRUCT that which WE have deconstructed to fix the church how WE want.

    But WE had better do it subtly (so as not to offend anybody) and stealthily (without account of a foundational Biblical Christian teaching).

    A 21st c. RECALL of the CHURCH is just what WE need for OUR Evangelical Reconstruction of the Church into a socially acceptable gathering which will attract any follower from religions of every culture of our world.

    NOT!

    To borrow from the Apostle Paul refuting premises of clear untruths:

    By no means!

    Perfect Teaching (for God’s imperfect ‘church’)

    https://talkofjesus.com/talk-jesus-com/what-is-doctrine/
    διδασκαλία – didaskalia – doctrine (19x), teaching (1x), learning (1x). – source: BlueLetterBible.org

    Doctrine, whether by preaching or teaching or proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is foundational to faith and therefore never to be torn down by any mortal sinner. Scripture affirms God’s truth and the trustworthy teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ for those who believe.

    .. so that we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming, ..

    Letter of the Apostle Paul to the Church in Ephesus 4:14 Legacy Standard Bible

    This same Apostle (to the Gentiles) confesses in his first letter to the pastor, Timothy 1:15

    .. that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    And the Apostle Peter fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying,

    “Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man!”

    the Good News of Luke 5:8 Legacy Standard Bible

    Some call Peter and Paul, Saints (and they are); yet all of God’s faithful are saints to the Lord.

    Psalm 34:9 (WLC 34:10) יְראוּ אֶת־יְהוָה קְדֹשָׁיו כִּי־ אֵין מַחְסוֹר לִירֵאָֽיו׃

    Yodh
    Oh, fear Yahweh, you His saints;
    For there is no want to those who fear Him.
    Do YOU FEAR THE LORD GOD, oh you sinner?
    
    The MARQEE denominational name of your 'church' matters NOT, my fellow sinner. 
    Seek the salvation of the Lord, my dear fellow saint, His redemption of your soul to eternal life witnessed in the Gospel of the Christ JESUS.

    Perfect Preaching (Teaching)

    Is based on & does not manipulate Scripture.

    THE LORD GOD IS! (God IS God and mankind is not.)

    God spoke to and through men whom the Lord God chose and commanded to write HIS words.

    “God is not a man, that He should lie,

    Nor a son of man, that He should repent;

    Has He said, and will He not do it?

    Or has He spoken, and will He not establish it?

    Numbers 23:19 LSB
    Do you really believe that? Can you affirm that ONLY Scripture Sola Scriptura is the inspired word of the Lord God?
    ONLY Scripture – Sola Scriptura

    All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness,

    2 Timothy 3:16 LSB

    NOT ‘some,’ NOT ‘select scripture’ ..

    AND separate from the truth that some church pastors will never reprove or correct those wayward weak sheep of their own flock,

    ALL of the WRITTEN WORD OF SCRIPTURE IS GOD INSPIRED!

    Mortal SINNERS DO NOT get to reconstruct what GOD has said.

    (But false teachers of every era subtly seek to lead Christ’s lost sheep into the abyss of disbelief.)

    Inerrant TRUTH: Our reasoned Biblical Faith

    Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?”

    The Apostle John’s Good News for you is:

    .. that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe.

    Evangelical RE-construction of the Church

    Source material for the following is transcribed (written as accurately as possible) from the A.D. 2022 podcast 'Just Thinking,' previously recommended and linked on TalkofJESUS.com and used with permission of its author. - RH

    In deconstruction everything is a SOCIAL construction, including the church.

    Darrell Harrison
    By the way, this Saturday Post series, Church – Who are these 21st c. Christians? - is directed toward faithful evangelical Christians who fear God and believe Scripture as a warning and caution for infidelity to Christ we increasingly hear from the pulpits of our RE-engineered 21st c. 'churches.' - RH
    
    I will add brief comment to Harrison's outline below for your consideration and intentional thinking about the teaching of your church. Why not add your own thoughts in the Comments at the bottom of this post. 
    
    God-willing, we will continue the course of identifying the faithful of our 21st century 'Church' next Saturday.
    
    © Darrell B. Harrison and Just Thinking Ministries

    Evangelical Deconstructionism

    Most of the points quoted may be found in the Just Thinking Podcast near 1:32.

    FIVE-POINT PROGRESSION of Evangelical Deconstructionism

    1. EMBRACE and posit [plant or assume] the idea [philosophy] that the CHURCH is a SOCIALLY constructed system, NOT a divinely ordained idea [institution] that originated in the mind of God.
    2. ASSUME that this socially constructed system is designed to be exclusive of certain intersectional identities, traditions and behaviors.
    3. IDENTIFY subjective [reasoned in the mind] points or cracks in that socially constructed system that have failed [as reasoned by the philosopher] AND need to be fixed [or reconstructed].
    4. APPLY a hermeneutic [interpretive explanation] of SUSPICION to that SOCIALIALLY-CONSTRUCTED system so that ANYONE [who even remotely] connected to that system is deemed UNTRUSTWORTHY.. deemed an enemy.
    5. RECONSTRUCT this SOCIAL SYSTEM [church, etc.] into the IMAGE and likeness of the CULTURE with socially acceptable.. [everythingology].

    Have you heard the alarm?

    “Therefore watch out, so that the thing spoken of in the Prophets may not come upon you:

    Acts of the Apostles 13:40 LSB [in context 13:23-41]

    Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

    Gospel of Matthew 7:15 LSB – a warning of Jesus

    “Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

    Gospel of Luke 6:46 LSB – CHALLANGE of the Lord Jesus Christ to followers


    What must we do?

    Does YOUR local church have a new cultural calling to evangelism?

    Please comment below on what you observe of Evangelical Deconstructionism?

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  • Did God really say, Church?

    Did God really say, Church?

    Yes! God said, “CHURCH.”

    Let’s be clear up front. I can assure you through Scripture (the written word of God we call THE BIBLE) that our Creator said, “Church.”

    So that we are on the same page (so to speak) I will get to a written definition of Church shortly. But first — and perhaps more importantly — I have a question to ask YOU.

    WHO is Asking?

    • Why is THIS important?

    • Does the person asking you about “Church really want to know what God said?

    • OR

    • Is this question of theirs a veiled dismissal of God
      • AND built on a premise opposed to the Authority of God’s Word?

    Who believes that God created the CHURCH?

    FIRST: Most likely NO ONE has asked you about your “church.”

    If you made a list including one hundred [100] from your neighborhood, work and extended family,

    • HOW MANY would even ASK YOU ANYTHING about CHURCH or GOD or Jesus Christ?

    Perhaps, one?

    (Not even Christians of our church typically engage each other in conversation about 'church'  beyond the walls of the church building or in our mortal time beyond a single worship service duplicated twice on Sunday.)

    SECONDLY: IF you ever hear a person ask you about your ‘church‘ and Scripture ,

    ASK YOURSELF, “WHO IS ASKING?”

    You probably know several variations of the original QUESTION directly from your Bible.

    וְהַנָּחָשׁ הָיָה עָרוּם מִכֹּל חַיַּת הַשָּׂדֶה אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים וַיֹּאמֶר אֶל־הָאִשָּׁה אַף כִּֽי־אָמַר אֱלֹהִים לֹא תֹֽאכְלוּ מִכֹּל עֵץ הַגָּֽן׃

    Bereishit (Genesis) 3:1 :: Westminster Leningrad Codex (WLC)
    Of course most of us cannot read the original so we must rely on a translation of Scripture (me included)-- but (keep in mind) -- 
    
    NO man or woman can claim truth while they reconstruct Scripture into words they want the Bible to say. 
    
    WORDS have both meaning and intent. Therefore a preacher or teacher of the BIBLE MUST stick to preaching or teaching from a reliable English translation AND NOT SUBSTITUTE your own 'better,' less-offensive words.
    
    The BIG QUESTION of THE DECEIVER goes something like the reconstruction by Satan sketched out (and linked) below.

    Does the preacher of the Word who shepherds your church have the integrity to ALWAYS use the written word of God from the Bible as written?

    Roger@TalkofJESUS.com [Your response or question by email is welcome.]

    Questioning and Reconstructing God’s Word

    An example from Genesis 3:

    Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.

    And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said,

    Genesis 3:1b NASB95

    ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

    Again, WATCH OUT! Whenever you hear anyone ask, 'has God said...'

    Church

    Call it what you like, but different people mean different things when they say, ‘church.’

    This is so even for members or attenders of the very same church. So let’s settle on some standard definitions of our references to ‘the church.’

    ἐκκλησία – ek-klay-see’-ah [feminine noun]

    Strong’s G1577 – ekklēsia [click for complete definition of ‘church’]

    • a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place

    No mention of the ‘church building’ here, although this ‘public place’ could be a building, tent, other home or anywhere two or three ‘citizens’ are gathered together.

    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; G1577 and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Gospel of Matthew 16:18 KJV – first use of the word ‘church‘ G1537 ekklēsia in the New Testament

    Christians and unbelievers alike think of CHURCH as an exclusive reference to a building or place where JESUS worshipers gather together as a ‘religious’ routine typically on Sunday only.

    However, a deeper look into how ‘church’ is used in the Bible — Old Testament AND New — will reveal a more significant connection of this ‘gathering of citizens’ to the LORD God.

    Gather me the people together – קָהַל

    The summons or call to worship is from the LORD Himself!

    The first reference to the ‘church’ or gathering in the Greek Septuagint comes from the LORD through Moses. Each assembly of the hebrew people, the citizens called out of Egypt and frequently out of their tents in the wilderness, was called by the LORD GOD.

    The LORD calls out the CHURCH, a chosen company of worshipers of the LORD our God.

    View a link to these references from the Septuagint in the common Greek of the first century Roman Empire when Israel no longer existed and JESUS taught in Galilee, Samaria and Judea.

    “Remember the day you stood before the LORD your God at Horeb, when the LORD said to me, ‘Assemble the people to Me, that I may have them hear My words so that they may learn to fear Me all the days that they live on the earth, and that they may teach their children.’

    Deuteronomy 4:10

    “The LORD gave me the two tablets of stone written by the finger of God; and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken with you at the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly..

    “This is in accordance with everything that you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Do not let me hear the voice of the LORD my God again, and do not let me see this great fire anymore, or I will die!’

    Deuteronomy 9:10; 18:16

    It’s pretty serious business:

    However, the LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will wipe him out of My book. But go now, lead the people where I told you. Behold, My angel shall go before you; nevertheless on the day when I punish, I will punish them for their sin.”

    Exodus 32:33-34 NASB20

    — a chosen citizenry created in the image of the LORD against whom they turn (again and again)

    שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד׃

    “And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

    Devarim (Deuteronomy) 6:4 :: WLC; 6:5 NASB20

    Then God said, “Behold, I am going to make a covenant. Before all your people I will perform miracles which have not been produced in all the earth nor among any of the nations; and all the people among whom you live will see the working of the LORD, for it is a fearful thing that I am going to perform with you.

    Exodus 34:10 NASB20

    — the LAW of the LORD our God (broken again and again)

    “Be careful that you do not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, or it will become a snare in your midst.

    Exodus 34:12 NASB20

    covenant, solemn promise after solemn promise (broken again and again)

    “For when I bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to their fathers, and they eat and are satisfied and become prosperous, then they will turn to other gods and serve them, and spurn Me and break My covenant.

    Deuteronomy 31:20 NASB20

    AND even in the New Testament

    an often apostate church continually asking, “DID GOD REALLY SAY?

    I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.

    Paul’s letter to the Church at Galatia 1:6-7 NASB20

    Did Scripture really say..?

    Second Letter of Paul to Timothy

    3:12 Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

    YES, God — JESUS — really did say, CHURCH.

    Scripture — spoken by the LORD, written in the Law and the Prophets, preached by the Lord Jesus Christ, taught by the Apostles — Scripture affirms Christ’s Church already built by HIM and in no need of tearing down out of a lack of faith.

    All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man [messenger] of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV

    Why do you ask?


    "Did God really say, Church?" is our first post for a NEW TalkofJESUS.com SERIES, addressing philosophies and questions underlying intentional deconstruction of the 21st Century Church.

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